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. >> union busting is disgusting! (laughter). >> jon: dude, you're from michigan, detroit, "8 mile." you've got to come up with better rhymes that busting-disgusting if you want to win the khraoe climactic rap. you have to put effort into it. (laughter) (cheers and applause) look, you have one job at one factory, when you seize every benefit you could, yo, our palms are sweaty, knees week, arms heavy, working in a factory all day building chevys, like the volt, you plug it in, and then you win -- ecologically, because if it was an actual race you would not -- actually. you've got to dues collect for the unions oro bahts are going to come and take away our jobs or to the chinese kids with the tiny hands to work and go -- ♪ this of ha tunety comes once in a lifetime note? note yo! (cheers and applause) you know what i realized? if i perform my hoff-torah a as bad as that i would owe my relatives money. for more we go to aasif mandvi in michigan and jason jones in indiana. there's not much kpet advantage in doing somet
. >> union busting is disgusting! (laughter). >> jon: dude, you're from michigan, detroit, "8 mile." you've got to come up with better rhymes that busting-disgusting if you want to win the khraoe climactic rap. you have to put effort into it. (laughter) (cheers and applause) look, you have one job at one factory, when you seize every benefit you could, yo, our palms are sweaty, knees week, arms heavy, working in a factory all day building chevys, like the volt, you plug it...
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on the union level, unions have got to start organizing the unorganized. too many years were spent just focusing on their own numbers. that's why you know this in michigan there's this weird divide between union members and non-union members. the non-union members are making less, but they don't see when the unions do well, they do well. european unions after world war ii, here is what they did differently. they decided not to just work for their own members. they wanted societal change so the reason why you have universal free healthcare throughout all of europe is because the european unions in the 40s said we don't want this just for our members, we want this for everybody. everybody has got to have -- >> jennifer: which is really the history of the u.s. labor movement was too. that's what those laws were in the 20s and 30s to provide universal 40-hour workweek and we don't have child labor laws. that's true. i would say unions have an opportunity globally especially in countries that are now growing, like china to be able to level the playing field a l
on the union level, unions have got to start organizing the unorganized. too many years were spent just focusing on their own numbers. that's why you know this in michigan there's this weird divide between union members and non-union members. the non-union members are making less, but they don't see when the unions do well, they do well. european unions after world war ii, here is what they did differently. they decided not to just work for their own members. they wanted societal change so the...
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in a good union maybe 60%, 70% of the workers will voluntarily give dues to the union. that's in a union shop where they're very active. that's in most right-to-work states. so i think what you're going to see in michigan as you look at the uaw it has 150,000 members in michigan. i think they're going to lose about 50,000 members. i mean my best-case scenario, what that translates to is a loss of $30 to $40 million a year in dus revenue. it hurts the ability of the uaw to do things and is losing $30 to $40 million they'll be spending tens of millions to refill this later. >> eliot: one of the things that mystified me about the bill signed into law today why are cops and firefighters excluded. why is this good for workers? did he carve out the two unions that are friendlier to the republican party than any other? >> yeah, i mean cops and firefighters unions tend to be friendlier to the republican party. the police union i endorsed bush several times. cops and firefighters tend to be friendlier to republicans although many of them are solid democrats as well. so i think t
in a good union maybe 60%, 70% of the workers will voluntarily give dues to the union. that's in a union shop where they're very active. that's in most right-to-work states. so i think what you're going to see in michigan as you look at the uaw it has 150,000 members in michigan. i think they're going to lose about 50,000 members. i mean my best-case scenario, what that translates to is a loss of $30 to $40 million a year in dus revenue. it hurts the ability of the uaw to do things and is...
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this is pure and simple union busting. these right to work laws have already had serious impacts across the country. wages for all workers, unionized and otherwise have decreased an average of $1,500 a year and workers are less likely to get health insurance or pensions. during the campaign any president voiced strong support the unions but as we know campaigning a very different from governing. things didn't look too promising this morning. so let's let the president speak for himself on this one. here he is in red ford, michigan late this afternoon. >> obama: what we shouldn't be doing is taking away your rights to bargain for better wages. these so-called right to work laws have everything to do with politics. >> nice work mr. president, reelection beginning to look good on you. and michigan's workers are forging ahead. tomorrow thousands of protesters are set to desecond on the capitol of lancing. two school districts have canceled classes because of these protests. today we got a preview. members of the nurse's union
this is pure and simple union busting. these right to work laws have already had serious impacts across the country. wages for all workers, unionized and otherwise have decreased an average of $1,500 a year and workers are less likely to get health insurance or pensions. during the campaign any president voiced strong support the unions but as we know campaigning a very different from governing. things didn't look too promising this morning. so let's let the president speak for himself on this...
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can it do to unions? the law probably strengthens unions. >> if this is a right to work state, it makes it illegal for unions and employers to man tateidate that employees be part of the union or pay money to that union. >> or destroy when they have to stay afloat. one or the other. >> kagy gray is the reporter for the detroit free press and joins us now. this happened very quickly. it looks like we have not seen the end of this fight. democrats and union activists and anybody who supports the unions about finding a way to overturn this. they have three options and is to pursue a legal challenge to how the law was passed in the legislature. the second involves beating sick snyder, the governor's race that requires them to win both houses. it looks like a long shot that looks like the boast bankable bet to collect signatures equivalent to 8% to the total number of votes cast. that means 258,000 signatures. then they can get a referendum on this. is that the best bet for people to overturn this? >> it's sti
can it do to unions? the law probably strengthens unions. >> if this is a right to work state, it makes it illegal for unions and employers to man tateidate that employees be part of the union or pay money to that union. >> or destroy when they have to stay afloat. one or the other. >> kagy gray is the reporter for the detroit free press and joins us now. this happened very quickly. it looks like we have not seen the end of this fight. democrats and union activists and anybody...
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michigan's governor driving the motor city in to a fight over the unions. why's the president playing backseat driver? >>> i'm steve kornacki. there's outrage maybe even criminal charges coming in that death of the nurse in england. wait a minute. are we being too hard on the pranksters? >> i'm krystal ball. in to the holiday spiritual. our friend is back at the table with tips to dare we say it enjoy the season? >>> all and that a federal case of it. why when it comes to gay marriage the train can't be stop. neither can we. it's "the cycle" and it's monday, december 10th. >>> it's monday, fun day here at "the cycle." let's get the party started. where will it land today? fiscal cliff? huh. so much for fun. well you know what? we at "the cycle" can make it fun. look at this. the president living it up in motown last hour calling on republicans to stop being party poopers. >> i believe america only succeeds and thrives when we've got a strong and growing middle class. i want us to bring down our deficits but i want to do it in a balanced, responsible way. an
michigan's governor driving the motor city in to a fight over the unions. why's the president playing backseat driver? >>> i'm steve kornacki. there's outrage maybe even criminal charges coming in that death of the nurse in england. wait a minute. are we being too hard on the pranksters? >> i'm krystal ball. in to the holiday spiritual. our friend is back at the table with tips to dare we say it enjoy the season? >>> all and that a federal case of it. why when it comes...
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i don't view it as anti-union. they are more proactive to presenting it to workers and say they should want to join it be part of it. this is first and foremost about worker choice. and second thing it is about economic development. we've watched what has gone on in indiana since they passed similar legislation and they have seen a significant increase in the numbers of companies talking about thousands of jobs to their state. first about workers choice but more about more and better jobs for our people. it's positive legislation for the state. >> it was not parts of your original aany da and it's being done in the lame duck. i suppose that's an issue that -- that the people are asking for, why wasn't it part of your original agenda and why did you wait for the lame duck? >> if you think about it, over 80% of workers don't have this issue. they aren't unionized so it applies in michigan to about 17.5% of our workforce. that's significant but most people don't have it as an issue. if you look where michigan was at,
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that was about the relationship between employers and unions. this has nothing to do with that. right-to-work is about the relationship between the union and workers, and this is about being co-workers, giving workers the choice. if anything, this should encourage unions to be more responsive to workers in terms of saying they need to show a value proposition of why they're a great place to join. >> now to the numbers. michigan has the fifth highest percentage of unionized workers at more than 17%, but it's hardly alone attacking the right-to-work laws. 23 other states have already done the same. >>> now developing overseas, north korea has defied international warnings by firing another long-range rocket, the second such launch under new leader kim jong-un. the surprise launch happened last night after north korea indicated it was having technical problems that could take weeks to resolve. fooled us. korea state tv claims the launch was successful, delivering a "peaceful satellite" in orbit. however, the u.s. and south korea believe it was another attempt by the north koreans t
that was about the relationship between employers and unions. this has nothing to do with that. right-to-work is about the relationship between the union and workers, and this is about being co-workers, giving workers the choice. if anything, this should encourage unions to be more responsive to workers in terms of saying they need to show a value proposition of why they're a great place to join. >> now to the numbers. michigan has the fifth highest percentage of unionized workers at more...
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he actually talked about good union jobs. certainly, chatting with a lot of having the united autoworkers as a backdrop is sending a message he's on their side if he didn't sy that in the remarks but another explosive labor battle in the midwest. in michigan is the newest battleground there. >> mark, thank you very much. >>> more now on the heavy duty negotiating taking place over the fiscal cliff. that's part of the reason that the president is in michigan bringing his message to the people and yesterday the president and house speaker john boehner brought their message to one another. the first one on one in more than three weeks. will there be a deal to include what's called serious entitlement reform and cuts? joining me now congresswoman bass of california. it's a pleasure to have you on again. >> thanks, thanks for having me on, tamron. >> absolutely. the president is in michigan. i want to read what senator dick durbin said on entitlements and reform. let me play it. >> i do believe there should be means testing and th
he actually talked about good union jobs. certainly, chatting with a lot of having the united autoworkers as a backdrop is sending a message he's on their side if he didn't sy that in the remarks but another explosive labor battle in the midwest. in michigan is the newest battleground there. >> mark, thank you very much. >>> more now on the heavy duty negotiating taking place over the fiscal cliff. that's part of the reason that the president is in michigan bringing his message...
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it's the teachers union. it's the california federation of teachers that really needs to be called to the carpet. it's not just the taxpayers and parents who are sending their kids to school in california that need to be up in arms about this. i know that there are so many decent, hard working teachers out there who are right thinking who abhor the message that is being subsidized with their taxes and also with their deuce that are being confiscated by these big labor big business organizations. >> sean: here's the scary part. i'm not making a comparison. if you look, it is dehumanizing people to such an extent that basically saying successful people, and it lies about almost everything, that they're evil, that they're bad, that -- >> of course. >> sean: to me, this could have a really negative effect, and when did we become a country that does this? i never viewed that -- go ahead. >> the problem is that this kind of radicalization has been main streamed and has been calcified in government schools for decad
it's the teachers union. it's the california federation of teachers that really needs to be called to the carpet. it's not just the taxpayers and parents who are sending their kids to school in california that need to be up in arms about this. i know that there are so many decent, hard working teachers out there who are right thinking who abhor the message that is being subsidized with their taxes and also with their deuce that are being confiscated by these big labor big business...
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on the other side, fighting to defend union rights, you'll find, naturally, unions, which of course will be essentially gotten rid of with this legislation that the republicans and their conservative donors are pushing through. think about that. it's kind of a striking thing here. the raw political side of this. "the nation" magazine looked into who the supporters were on both sides of this issue, and they found that the only competition on the pro union rights side is the unions themselves. who of course this fight is designed to quash, to make go away. it's a handy way of getting your way, right? existentially erasing your opposition. it's the politics of process as much or more than it is the politics of substance. so, you know, you keep the other side's voters from voting somehow. you screw up the district map, so no matter how many more votes are cast for team a over team b. it's team b that always wins a majority of the seats anyway. you use state law to eliminate the existence of institutions that tend to support the other party come election time. it's not about persuading voters
on the other side, fighting to defend union rights, you'll find, naturally, unions, which of course will be essentially gotten rid of with this legislation that the republicans and their conservative donors are pushing through. think about that. it's kind of a striking thing here. the raw political side of this. "the nation" magazine looked into who the supporters were on both sides of this issue, and they found that the only competition on the pro union rights side is the unions...
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a long rich union tradition who will always choose to be part of the union. and i think the unions have to make it. they can't automatically assume in a right to work state that people will pay the dues. >> john engler, former governor of michigan, we got a lot in in a short amount of time. >>> up next, we have the results of the final tea party versus establishment showdown of 2012. that's right. there was an election on saturday. we'll tell you -- remind you where it was. plus, mitt romney took a ringside seat for a post election bout watching a member of congress fight. we'll tell you where that person is a member of congress. >>> a guy who knows how to throw a punch announced he's coming to washington. how many u.s. presidents also served as secretary of state? and who was the last one? [ male announcer ] where do you turn for legal matters? at legalzoom, we've created a better place to handle your legal needs. maybe you have questions about incorporating a business you'd like to start. or questions about protecting your family with a will or living trust
a long rich union tradition who will always choose to be part of the union. and i think the unions have to make it. they can't automatically assume in a right to work state that people will pay the dues. >> john engler, former governor of michigan, we got a lot in in a short amount of time. >>> up next, we have the results of the final tea party versus establishment showdown of 2012. that's right. there was an election on saturday. we'll tell you -- remind you where it was. plus,...
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part, politically speaking from union dues. look, here's the issue. the state senate and the stais statehouse have both passed this. they have to pass the other ones, and then rick snyder, we expect, to sign it. one thing that's interesting, ohio, something similar happened, and you saw a ballot initiative that actually repealed the right to work legislation. that's not likely to happen here because in the state constitution you can't repeal a spending bill, ask there was an appropriation, a spending measure, attached to this legislation. so it's going to be harder to overturn it. that doesn't mean people won't protest. it dent mean it won't become a national story, as it's already becoming, but getting it repealed or at least even the process of repeeling could be a lot more difficult. >> now, the president today in michigan is still doing the public campaigning, and this is beginning to pay off. you see real negotiations taking place. what do we know happened at the white house between the president and speaker boehner this w
part, politically speaking from union dues. look, here's the issue. the state senate and the stais statehouse have both passed this. they have to pass the other ones, and then rick snyder, we expect, to sign it. one thing that's interesting, ohio, something similar happened, and you saw a ballot initiative that actually repealed the right to work legislation. that's not likely to happen here because in the state constitution you can't repeal a spending bill, ask there was an appropriation, a...
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everyone who benefits from union representation should at least pay their fair share for that. >> sir, thanks so much. democratic congressman from michigan, hansen clarke. >>> i want to pass long again, watch live coverage of the president's remarks in detroit later today. the president expected to speak at 2:00 p.m. eastern time. we want to bring in our political power panel for monday morning. kerry rudolph brown. democratic jat gist jamie harrison. republican strategist chip saltzman. great to have you here. i know you were listening to the congressman there. right now democrats do appear to be winning the debate in the court of public opinion. 60% favoring the hiking of taxes on incomes over $250,000. but, chip, i want to ask you, how much longer can the gop continue its posturing on this? because it's kind of a faye ta come plea that this is going to happen. taxes are going to go up no matter what they do. >> first of all, whenever you poll somebody should we raise taxes on the rich people everybody says yes. that poll is meaningless to me. yeah, i think something's going to get
everyone who benefits from union representation should at least pay their fair share for that. >> sir, thanks so much. democratic congressman from michigan, hansen clarke. >>> i want to pass long again, watch live coverage of the president's remarks in detroit later today. the president expected to speak at 2:00 p.m. eastern time. we want to bring in our political power panel for monday morning. kerry rudolph brown. democratic jat gist jamie harrison. republican strategist chip...
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if you give union workers the right to opt out of the union, i don't think many will opt out. secondly, this is the kind of energization that the labor movement really needs in michigan. i think, one, you will see this get back on the ballot. there is a provision under the michigan constitution that allows this to get back on the ballot in the next election. i think you will see that. i think, as i said, you will see the governor have a difficult time with re-election, and i think this is going to be the kick in pants that labor needs in michigan. at the end of the day this could be something that could be a blessing in disguise for them. >> julian epstein, dr. james peterson, thank you so much. >>> next, a three-day workweek or why i could be calling mayflower movers and making d.c. my new home. >>> folks, there's been a lot of soul searching going on at fox news and i'm confident that they eventually will find one. for those with visions of doing this... ...this... ...and this, dancing in their heads... ...we have these. home depot gift cards. give the gift of doing, in-stor
if you give union workers the right to opt out of the union, i don't think many will opt out. secondly, this is the kind of energization that the labor movement really needs in michigan. i think, one, you will see this get back on the ballot. there is a provision under the michigan constitution that allows this to get back on the ballot in the next election. i think you will see that. i think, as i said, you will see the governor have a difficult time with re-election, and i think this is going...
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his vice president but foreign minister and throughout his long career has been a bus driver and a union leader. it's ain it's not a complete surprise, but chavez has not signaled who will follow him, and now he has. he pointed to the person that he wants all his supporters to throw their weight behind and elect if hugo chavez is sidelined, is rendered incapable as president. he's essentially preparing venezuela and the region for without hugo chavez, and that is significant, suzanne. >> thank you very much. we appreciate it. second hour. >>> officials say he's doing well and there's no cause for alarm, but mandela is 94 years old and a bit frail. as for president obama he's visiting a detroit plant na makes dice sell truck engines. he's going to talk about the economy and fiscal cliff within the hour. we'll go to that live. >>> first to florida. that's where we learn new details about a long running mystery. in the town marianna and they have found more grave sites on the grounds a school that closed last century. nobody knows how many boys may be buried there and what abuse he suffer t
his vice president but foreign minister and throughout his long career has been a bus driver and a union leader. it's ain it's not a complete surprise, but chavez has not signaled who will follow him, and now he has. he pointed to the person that he wants all his supporters to throw their weight behind and elect if hugo chavez is sidelined, is rendered incapable as president. he's essentially preparing venezuela and the region for without hugo chavez, and that is significant, suzanne. >>...
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, the unions that are really the life blood of michigan, many say it is the unions which built michigan up in first place. you have to also remember there is a huge symbolic element of to this. the united autoworkers union was born here in michigan. it is hard for the folks who live here to see the power of the unions be diminished and the reality is, if this law passes, brooke, it means not only in michigan you'll see the power of unions fall, but this could also be the first salvo for unions across the country to lose their clout as well. brooke? >> alison kosik, thank you. we won't go too far from you. want to remind all of you, we're watching, awaiting the president in redford, michigan. as soon as we see him, we will bring you back to live pictures on the issue of these unions in lansing. also wanted to let you know, the vice president of the uaw will be joining me here within the next hour or so. and we'll talk to her. she's negotiating. she's the one negotiating with the governor on behalf of some 17,000 members who are working for the state of michigan and we'll ask her if she h
, the unions that are really the life blood of michigan, many say it is the unions which built michigan up in first place. you have to also remember there is a huge symbolic element of to this. the united autoworkers union was born here in michigan. it is hard for the folks who live here to see the power of the unions be diminished and the reality is, if this law passes, brooke, it means not only in michigan you'll see the power of unions fall, but this could also be the first salvo for unions...
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neither the longshoreman's union nor the northern alliance would give us anyone to speak on camera but officials with knowledge of the negotiations say it boils down to one issue -- the key sticking point is over those large containers and the payments that longshoremen get for them. the shipping companies pay royalties to the longshoremen for the containers based on their weight but the shipping companies want to freeze the royalty payments for current longshoremen and eliminate them completely for future hires. the longshoremen say the royalties are designed to make up for jobs lost to automation. strike would only affect ports that handle containers, not other cargo like automobiles, but if the shipping companies lock out the longshoreman -- >> that would impact more than containers. that would impact all cargos at ports, so that would have obviously a much more impactful reaction. >> reporter: how impactful? scher says east coast and gulf coast ports handled about $55 billion worth of cargo in an average month this year. victor? >> brian todd in baltimore, thank you. >>> sea world,
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i'm not being anti-union here. i'm pro-union. i want factories in connecticut, in rhode island, in massachusetts, across new england reopened. but the jobs from overseas, they're not going there. they're not going there because of work force rules that i think even trump told me were outdated and outmoded. >> is our education system outdated? >> no. >> our union advocacy, is that outdated, how they go about fighting for it? i don't know. that question was put on the table. whether factories are shut, that means jobs have left. if you look at wages enjoyed by workers in right-to-work states, i think it should be put on the table. where do they fare? i have not done the analysis so it's hard to say. >> it's a question, though, willie, whether you want the job or not. >> right. >> i asked bob riley, i've said this 1,000 times, it seems extraordinarily important if you're a union member in the northeast, and like me, you want your factories running again. i asked bob riley, i don't understand, why did mercedes go to tuscaloosa county
i'm not being anti-union here. i'm pro-union. i want factories in connecticut, in rhode island, in massachusetts, across new england reopened. but the jobs from overseas, they're not going there. they're not going there because of work force rules that i think even trump told me were outdated and outmoded. >> is our education system outdated? >> no. >> our union advocacy, is that outdated, how they go about fighting for it? i don't know. that question was put on the table....
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or pay union dues. joining us now from lansing is andy potter, vice president of michigan's corrections organization. thanks for joining us. although you're a republican, you're not up in favor of what is happening in your state. why? >> i am not in favor of it. i think it's a way to weaken the unions. weaken the representation that the workers are going to receive and it's a way to do certain things where we won't be able to hold anyone accountable in the state for what happens. >> now, you say you are a republican. republicans typically are anti labor, antilabor unions for a number reasons. unions bring out the vote for their democratic opponents. how do you marry the fact that you are republican, yet pro union? >> well, i'm pro labor and i am a republican. i voted for republicans my whole life. we look at the candidates that best represent the labor issues and we support them. we support different candidates. doesn't always have to be a democrat that we support. we support republicans as well. >> thi
or pay union dues. joining us now from lansing is andy potter, vice president of michigan's corrections organization. thanks for joining us. although you're a republican, you're not up in favor of what is happening in your state. why? >> i am not in favor of it. i think it's a way to weaken the unions. weaken the representation that the workers are going to receive and it's a way to do certain things where we won't be able to hold anyone accountable in the state for what happens. >>...
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whether or not they want to join a union and pay those union dues. and they say it also grows jobs. >> it actually makes unions more accountable and makes them more responsive to their members because now the unions can't take them for granted. remember, right to work doesn't affect collective bargaining in any other way except for take away the union's ability to fire a worker for not paying them. they can still bargain over hours, wages and working conditions. >> reporter: so the vote expected to happen tomorrow, starting at 10:00 a.m. the house and the senate will each vote on each other's measures. also, demonstrations expected to begin. the opening salvo happening 9:00 a.m., down this street right here. thousands are expected to march, starting here, all the way up to lansing city hall. that would be just the beginning of the day. wolf. >> alison on the scene for us, thank you. the president's taking a political risk by getting into michigan's union fight at the same time he's locked in a major battle in washington over raising ta spending cuts
whether or not they want to join a union and pay those union dues. and they say it also grows jobs. >> it actually makes unions more accountable and makes them more responsive to their members because now the unions can't take them for granted. remember, right to work doesn't affect collective bargaining in any other way except for take away the union's ability to fire a worker for not paying them. they can still bargain over hours, wages and working conditions. >> reporter: so the...
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michigan is a heavily unionized state so why would it be going right to work. there's enormous downward pressure on wages on american companies around the world that can make things cheaper elsewhere than here and our wages are uncompetitive in a lot of ways. in effect what people in michigan have to decide, do you want fewer jobs at higher wages or lower jomore jobs at lower w they have decided they want more jobs. >> you look at michigan and detroit, that's a pretty easy answer. >> the unemployment rate. >> the unemployment rate is horrible. detroit in 1960, i think, was one of the wealth nest city if not the wealthiest city in america and now one of the poorest. >> the fourth largest. >> this is a done deal, going through the house today, to a republican governor and says he will sign it. >> it's symbolic of two things, one, the politics of it all, what we've seen in wisconsin and elsewhere and the unpopularity of unions these days and secondly an economic phenomenon, basically a statement we want jobs and we're willing to take them, even if it means lower w
michigan is a heavily unionized state so why would it be going right to work. there's enormous downward pressure on wages on american companies around the world that can make things cheaper elsewhere than here and our wages are uncompetitive in a lot of ways. in effect what people in michigan have to decide, do you want fewer jobs at higher wages or lower jomore jobs at lower w they have decided they want more jobs. >> you look at michigan and detroit, that's a pretty easy answer....
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quote, turning weakness into opportunity and seeking among great adversity to create a more perfect union. >>> the national rifle association is vowing to take part in the national dialog on gun control and says it is heart broken and shocked by the massacre. it is worth noting the gun rights group seems to be embracing a softer tone and assigning blame for the killing spree. >> i don't think the issue is parenting or hollywood or guns or rap music or young men. it is the foundational stuff, whether it is a lack of love, a lack of empathy for others, apathy. >> that's a show on the nra's website and the first official statement they have to this say. quote, out of respect for the families and common decency we have given time for mourning, prayer, and a full investigation of the facts before commenting. the nra is prepared to offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again. end quote. george howell is following the nra's response up to this point. and political expert larry sabatow will give us insight for what they're planning for the future. meaningful contribu
quote, turning weakness into opportunity and seeking among great adversity to create a more perfect union. >>> the national rifle association is vowing to take part in the national dialog on gun control and says it is heart broken and shocked by the massacre. it is worth noting the gun rights group seems to be embracing a softer tone and assigning blame for the killing spree. >> i don't think the issue is parenting or hollywood or guns or rap music or young men. it is the...
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. >> the democrats who became cold war conservatives were willing to call the soviet union what it was. >> right. >> was a huge -- that was the intellectual breakthrough for the cold war. starting in 1978 with howard jarvis, the anti-statism. but you're right. we had an era with reagan that was ratified by clinton. when he said the era of big government is over. but we still don't know quite what we're in now except that we want lots of things and we don't want to pay for them. >> and you know, mika -- >> that's exactly it. >> you see the missed opportunities. it's not just the stupid things that are said on talk radio or that are written in being books written in the blogosphere that hurts the conservative cause, it's what is not said. like, for instance, yesterday nick christoph wrote an extraordinary op-ed talking about how conservatives have a point. that the liberal welfare state actually discourages, in many cases, hard work and discourages people -- enslaves people to a life of misery. and he gave a great example of how ssi benefits actually cause parents in the appalachians to
. >> the democrats who became cold war conservatives were willing to call the soviet union what it was. >> right. >> was a huge -- that was the intellectual breakthrough for the cold war. starting in 1978 with howard jarvis, the anti-statism. but you're right. we had an era with reagan that was ratified by clinton. when he said the era of big government is over. but we still don't know quite what we're in now except that we want lots of things and we don't want to pay for...